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Poster: Lewis/Klitschko Date: Jun 20, 2006 10:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: I am hoping Bob comes to his senses and returns things to how they were

I know GDP needs revenue, but I know he can do the right thing.

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Poster: tgvas Date: Jun 23, 2006 6:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I am hoping Bob comes to his senses and returns things to how they were

Bob only cares about the $$$, Debra only cares about the $$, they got RICH by giving the music away free, we went to their shows because of that spirit, Jerry died and the greed took control, with the excepption of Phil of course.

I vowed to never spend a dime on anything Grateful Dead the day they turned on us, and I have kept to that promise.

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Poster: iplaybassguitar30 Date: Jul 5, 2006 6:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I am hoping Bob comes to his senses and returns things to how they were

thats rediculous. i agree that it sucks that the shows were taken down...but by saying that u refuse to support them because they no longer provide free music, im assuming u mean that u dont listen to the allman brothers, or jimi hendrix, or miles davis or herbie hancock or coltrane? because they didnt give u free music.

besides, what do you actually mean when u say u dont support them? does that mean your depriving yourself of the joy of listening to the music because your mad at them? thats stupid. and besides, the grateful dead were all about the music, so if you ARE listening to them, youd better stop, you wouldnt wanna support them...oh no!

sure, its a bummer that the shows arent up here anymore...but they still allow taping dont they? yes, that means that you can go back to how it was done before the internet. im only 17 and i know that, just get your lazy ass to some shows and get a tapin and a tradin

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Poster: mike65! Date: Jul 5, 2006 12:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I am hoping Bob comes to his senses and returns things to how they were

No disrespect intended, but why did you find it necessary to insult forum members in your first post?

It's obvious from your comments that you don't really understand what precipitated the petition against GDM. Look in the forum archives, or do an internet search. Read the volumes of opinions in the articles generated since it happened. Keep in mind that the Archive was, IMO, forced to take the heat in a very short-sighted decision by GDM to take ALL of the Dead shows off of the site. Not just the soundboards, but the audience recordings, also. This was a shot to the heart for all of us who, with the band's permission, lovingly strived to obtain the best quality recordings possible. We did it from everywhere we could until THE BAND made a taping section for us. The only thing they wanted was for no money to be exchanged, free trades only.

Their lp's barely charted, Touch of Grey was their first bona fide radio hit (outside of a handful of FM staples), yet it was the Deadheads who kept them afloat for literally decades, going from show to show, recording them, trading them, and spreading the word. For a number of years, they were the top grossing band in the country!!! On our dime!!!

Now the Dead are unlikely to ever tour again unless the infighting stops, so we can't just bring our equipment to a show to tape them. Because Jerry is gone, their is no-one left to shine their light through the cool, Colorado rain.

In a way, many Deadheads feel that a legacy has been lost in the decision that has been made recently. I personally think that it began when GDM started having people busted in the '80's for making Steal Your Face t-shirts in their garages so that they could afford to spread the word themselves. The Dead Organization has spit upon the best free marketing machine that ever existed.

So please, remember all of the people on this forum that are older than 17 (your age) and do some homework before posting. We would rather have sincere questions than smarmy remarks.

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Jun 20, 2006 11:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I am hoping Bob comes to his senses and returns things to how they were

You must be kidding! Robert Hunter's last journal entry implies that the GDM business is going broke, unless they make deal with Rhino Records. You may not get any more boards from this archive; but Weir won't be marketing those Downloads or the Picks any more either. We shall shee...

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jun 21, 2006 11:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I am hoping Bob comes to his senses and returns things to how they were

I am on record on this site as being no fan of Bob, and I cringe at actually coming to his defense, however I do think it is unfair to heap all the blame for the withdrawal of SBD downloading on him. Phil has publicly stated that he was the one who initially brought the subject up and that he was not completely comfortable with the availability of the sbd's. Barlowe stated that the drummers were actually the driving force behind the debate and decision. Bob is in the forerfront because of his ill advised "See ya" and other remarks. i also don't believe that Bob's yea or nay is the sole deciding factor in this subject.

I believe this was an organizational decision, and that all four of the surviving members are culpable in this matter. Bob has become the focus of the debate because he, is not afraid to speak his mind and, as much as I believe he is mistaken and insensitive, I do applaud him for that.

This post was modified by Purple Gel on 2006-06-21 18:22:00

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Poster: caspersvapors Date: Jun 21, 2006 10:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I am hoping Bob comes to his senses and returns things to how they were

"Phil has publicly stated that he was the one who initially brought the subject up and that he was not completely comfortable with the availability of the sbd's"

Phil has said on his site and in interviews that he did NOT agree with the sbd's taken off the site and had nothing to do with it

source: http://www.kyndmusic.com/2006/06/13/the-wire-is-life-a-conversation-with-phil-lesh/

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Jun 21, 2006 10:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I am hoping Bob comes to his senses and returns things to how they were

This is what Phil says,

"Personally, I love archive.org, and I would be perfectly OK with the soundboards being up there — but I’m just one guy."

But what has he done about it?

Phil gets to keep his fan base plus collect on his share of proceeds from marketing the sbds, which is now apparently a lot less than hoped for, but still a win-win situation.

As much as i want to believe otherwise, all we have seen is talk and excuses.

Could it be Phil is just a lot smarter than Bob?

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Poster: doodle Date: Jun 22, 2006 3:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I am hoping Bob comes to his senses and returns things to how they were

I hate to pipe in on this, but I will (again!). Midnight Sun is exactly right, in my view (and I said it before too). All Phil has ever said is essentially "I didn't do it", and left it at that. For whatever it is worth, he has done nothing here except lamely point a finger at others or at least try to redirect fingers away from himself. I personally feel that there should be no fingers pointed. The boards are gone and that was their decision. As it turns out, a decision made to late, apparently as GDP is broke from what I hear. For better or worse, the world of the internet changed things. Boards were downloaded by the hundreds or thousands within days and without any sound degradation. This was not the same as meeting someone, getting contact info or sitting around and dubbing a cassette. It just wasn't. This acted in tandem with the essential end of the band which left only these boards (or golf shirts?) as their main source of income. What would you do if you had to compete with this? Phil is no different than the other guys, he just tries to make you think he is. Read what he has said, it's not much-really. We still have good auds in here, and that's pretty good. Again, Midnight Sun is right.

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Poster: Diana Hamilton Date: Jun 21, 2006 11:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I am hoping whoever comes to his senses and returns things to how they were

Relevant quote including mention of CEO and stuff:
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=53318

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Poster: cousinkix1953 Date: Jun 21, 2006 5:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I am hoping whoever comes to his senses and returns things to how they were

Phil eventually sold out too! Most of his new SBDs wiill be distributed by the Clear Channel gangsters and not the guys who released the Dead tours in 04...

"A lot of our business disagreements are the result of poor communication from advisors."

Everybody speaks, writes and understands the English language. Conference calls and internet group meeting are easily arranged. There is no need for an interpeter to screw everything up. How often do you communicate with your brother and sister and need a messenger boy to handle things?





This post was modified by cousinkix1953 on 2006-06-22 00:33:48

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jun 21, 2006 11:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I am hoping Bob comes to his senses and returns things to how they were

pretty damn well said there purple. gotta agree with all of your points, although i still like raggin' on bob over the whole situation. but like you said, he is the easy target because he is really the only one who truly spoke his mind. wish he never made the "see ya" comment though - that one still hurts.

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Poster: Lum Edwards Date: Jul 29, 2006 1:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I am hoping Bob comes to his senses and returns things to how they were

I am likely to get boo-ed off the stage here BUT, I am thankful that we get to stream the SBD files. Sure I would like to be able to download some now and again. I am just thankful that the Archive has them here in whatever form. I never was into GD much until I started listening to live shows last year. Pretty much my whole GD listening before was limited to the songs on classic rock stations. ( Truckin, Touch of Grey etc. Ehh just another band from the pre rap days when Steve Miller ruled the airwaves ) I found the Live Dead to be so far and away different from any other band for the varity of songs and styles. Thank you Archive for the Files and enjoyment I get here. Its nice to be able to stream a concert and enjoy the music. Lum

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Poster: Lewis/Klitschko Date: Jul 29, 2006 12:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I am hoping Bob comes to his senses and returns things to how they were

Do the right thing, GDP.0

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Poster: Spaced Date: Jun 21, 2006 12:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I am hoping Bob comes to his senses and returns things to how they were

This is the right thing.

We have good quality streams that are much more available than tape trading. They should reduce the prices of downloads though!

This is from someone who had no interest in seeing a singing serenade from the knee. And, I still think the tiresome Another Saturday Night is worse tha the "see ya"!

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Poster: Lewis/Klitschko Date: Jun 21, 2006 10:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: I am hoping Bob comes to his senses and returns things to how they were

I like to listen to "wav"ed shows in the car, so streaming isn't the right thing for me.

I've got a nice collection, and I appreciate that, but if Bob comes around I'll be able to delve back into my hobby. Everyone needs distractions now and again.